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Post by aminta on May 15, 2012 15:56:30 GMT -5
Oh I wouldn't go that far, Lifehouse guys are just really nice and friendly people, so maybe time to stop making fun out of the 'MESSENGER"  , many of my LH friends like him as well, I will respect that. |
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Post by dewey on May 15, 2012 23:08:55 GMT -5
Ill check out the next record, but my excitement level for each forthcoming record passes with each release.
now i really dont care how long they take, because its not something im constantly thinking about. i know that makes me sound like less of a fan, but come on -- 2005 thru 2010 have been HUGE steps backwards.
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Post by celticflower on May 16, 2012 1:04:40 GMT -5
Well, even if Lifehouse are really friendly people and Colton might be too..he still annoys me:p and even if many LH friends like him, there's nothing wrong with respectfully disagreeing, lol and if people feel offended, they can say so:-D I do not think that 2005-2010 is just backwards..LH developed in many ways..lyrically they may not have pushed enough but I think they still moved forwards.
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Post by aminta on May 16, 2012 1:43:11 GMT -5
there's nothing wrong with respectfully disagreeing, That's my point. |
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Post by celticflower on May 16, 2012 2:12:29 GMT -5
oki:-D
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Post by gogonutz on May 16, 2012 9:19:08 GMT -5
I kind of agree with the step backwards. Not sure I want to call it huge, but I can't deny a certain disappointment with the releases ever since the self-titled. Usually around the time of release I'm all enthousiastic due to new material being available, but after a longer period I do not have the same connection to the newer (Geffen/Ironworks-era) stuff compared to the older stuff (Dreamworks). Doesn't mean the songs are necessarily bad, especially since a younger generation does seem to have a similar connection to them, but to me personally, there is a certain disappointment.
Doesn't mean I'm no longer a fan or that I don't support them anymore. Those of you who know me, know better than that. It's just that I would like some of the excitement and personal connection back that I used to have with the Lifehouse songs. I know it's also a matter of what point you are in your life and what point the band is at, but that's not all. I'm not saying they should this or should that, but a fan is allowed to have certain hopes or expectations, right?
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Post by aminta on May 16, 2012 10:35:09 GMT -5
Right  I also share the opinion things changed since the self entitled and it takes me more time to adapt to what Lifehouse has to offer now, it's not the first love feeling anymore, but after a while I learn to appreciate the tiny new things they add here and there. But I think it's not a step backwards, they are evolving, although you may not like the direction they're going. Sometimes I think it happens to many bands, the first album or the first two may turn a listener's world upside down, because it's all fresh, natural, and the artist is like a newborn, but sooner or later the musician(s) become part of the industry and that means compromises and finding a 'safe, cozy place' so there's no motivation to change a lot anymore. But I believe that with bands that stay there for long years and release more albums everything can still happen, a sudden burst of new found energy, some new inspiration, or following a completely new musical path - since if your position in the industry is established, you can afford some experiments. |
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Post by Minka on May 16, 2012 11:05:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't agree with the step backwards overall, I think music wise they are better than ever, but I do agree on moving backwards lyric wise and that's probbaly the point that most of us feel a bit dissapointed about, but I haven't given up the hope that Jason will write again more meaningful songs and that they will be on the album and not just released as B-Sides.
The songs that mean the most to us, are the songs he wrote about his personal life and I guess now that he doesn't want to share that really with people anymore, he has lost a little of the connection, when it comes to writing, with the songs, at least sometimes I think so.
BUUUT I am curious to see where their journey will go and to see how they will evolve with the new album, even if I might won't like some of that, I still think I will like the most of what they'll come up with. There have been on all thier albums songs I liked and didn't liked, so whatever happens, I don't worry too much about them and what they come up with.
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Post by escalibur on May 16, 2012 15:33:00 GMT -5
....I think music wise they are better than ever... Can you please explain this to me? |
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Post by celticflower on May 17, 2012 2:12:30 GMT -5
hmm I never saw Jason as a sort of Jesus in into the sun..for me it's more like together we find the positive side of life, we can get there if we want, together but perhaps not the person you expected to walk with..and that that was inevitable.
Halfway gone has an ambiguous feel to it, since it's so poppy music wise, but the message is a sad one..but I do not see it as a business message..a bit mean, hmm yeah maybe..but hy would you question who writes the songs??*or was that just a sarcastic comment?
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Post by gogonutz on May 17, 2012 4:26:11 GMT -5
Evolving would mean moving forward and in my opinion (and I would like to stress this is an opinion, there aren't really any facts in the perception of music) they aren't really moving forward. I could say they are evolving style-wise, but depth-wise I wouldn't say it's evolution, because in the past the songs stood apart from most of the other songs out there, they had a certain identity and these days the Lifehouse songs are so similar to pretty much everything else that is out there, that I don't feel the songs stand out as much anymore. So yes, they may be evolving, which I encourage, but I also think there's a certain aspect that isn't moving forward (much).
And Minka, if you mean that they haven't been better as a live band, I would tend to agree.
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Post by Minka on May 17, 2012 7:43:57 GMT -5
I never saw the self titled album as spiritual, not even the tiniest bit, I see most of the songs, including Into The Sun as written about Jason’s dad and the struggle he was going thru with him. I also don’t see HG as a mean song, for me it’s like fighting for a relationship (or even just a crush on the way to become a relationship) where she is not sure if she wants to be in it or not and he (and by she and he I don’t necessarily mean Braeden and Jason, lets just say it’s a random couple) has enough of the yes,/no/maybe and is about to make a decision for her and leave. I don’t think it’s anything mean in this song, hanging in a relationship or on a crush, where you don’t know where you’re at, sucks and one of the people has to make a decision, if the other one doesn’t know if he/she wants to be in this relationship or not, so there’s nothing mean, it is confusing and it sucks, if you don’t know where you stand with a person that you love. Of course this is only my interpretation of the song, but isn’t that also a part of Lifehouse that many like, to interpret their songs the way you want!?! Can you please explain this to me? They have never been live better than now and I also love that they are much rockier then they used to be (but yes of course they always had great rock songs), I think Bryce and Ben add a nice spice that LH didn't had before them. Of course this all are only opinions in this thread and we will never fully agree, as everyone is different and likes different things, but it's nice to see how others see this all. |
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Post by escalibur on May 17, 2012 12:24:43 GMT -5
Can you please explain this to me? They have never been live better than now and I also love that they are much rockier then they used to be (but yes of course they always had great rock songs), I think Bryce and Ben add a nice spice that LH didn't had before them. Of course this all are only opinions in this thread and we will never fully agree, as everyone is different and likes different things, but it's nice to see how others see this all. About being live better or not for me it's hard to say since I saw them live only once and it was OK show. Are they rockier than before? Hell no !! Why? Well check these clips and you will find the answer.. vs.. Pay attention on the audience aswell. But yeah we clearly have different opinions. |
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Post by celticflower on May 17, 2012 14:19:06 GMT -5
ok, I think that an objective 1 versus the other does not mean 5 clips from older days and one *and then pick falling in. of all choices:p* from nowadays..
if you wish to convince people, for some reason, come with solid and objective arguments *though I think that is quite difficult with music*
that said, of course, you can feel this way:-D I think it's a different type of rocky..I definitely think Jason came out of his shell..and think that is a good thing!
I do not really agree with you Dana, sorry:p I think that the message is not at all like hurry up..I think of it as more: I tried it all, now I need something from you,otherwise this relationship is doomed. don't make promises you cannot keep and stuff like that..but different opinion:-D and I think it's interesting to hear yours:-D
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Post by escalibur on May 17, 2012 15:08:36 GMT -5
ok, I think that an objective 1 versus the other does not mean 5 clips from older days and one *and then pick falling in. of all choices:p* from nowadays.. if you wish to convince people, for some reason, come with solid and objective arguments *though I think that is quite difficult with music* that said, of course, you can feel this way:-D I think it's a different type of rocky..I definitely think Jason came out of his shell..and think that is a good thing! I do not really agree with you Dana, sorry:p I think that the message is not at all like hurry up..I think of it as more: I tried it all, now I need something from you,otherwise this relationship is doomed. don't make promises you cannot keep and stuff like that..but different opinion:-D and I think it's interesting to hear yours:-D Here you go: You can clearly hear how the live sound has changed. For me now it sounds too 'commercial' and there is too much bass. Of course recording is not perfect but on Rock Am Ring video you can notice that there is no 'dirt' in their sound anymore and that's what I miss the most. |
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, many of my LH friends like him as well, I will respect that. 
I also share the opinion things changed since the self entitled and it takes me more time to adapt to what Lifehouse has to offer now, it's not the first love feeling anymore, but after a while I learn to appreciate the tiny new things they add here and there. But I think it's not a step backwards, they are evolving, although you may not like the direction they're going. Sometimes I think it happens to many bands, the first album or the first two may turn a listener's world upside down, because it's all fresh, natural, and the artist is like a newborn, but sooner or later the musician(s) become part of the industry and that means compromises and finding a 'safe, cozy place' so there's no motivation to change a lot anymore. But I believe that with bands that stay there for long years and release more albums everything can still happen, a sudden burst of new found energy, some new inspiration, or following a completely new musical path - since if your position in the industry is established, you can afford some experiments.
. I'd also like to know if anybody has an HD copy of Lifehouse at Pinkpop 2003. BY far their best concert ever