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Post by adhara on Sept 3, 2008 22:17:38 GMT -5
What a speech by Sarah Palin... I'm gonna go donate now. edit: I still can't get over what she said about community organizers  |
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Post by gurlnlifemagazine on Sept 4, 2008 10:04:29 GMT -5
^^Oh, I am so pissed about that Who the fuck do she think she is critizing Obama for putting the community first ahead of his own political career? I'm sure when he was helping set up job training classes for workers that he wasn't thinking "Gee', this will get me in the White House." I'm so disgusted with that comment. She ran a city of 5,000 people on a buget of 12 million. Obama's manages a campaign of 25,000 on over 40 million a month. How can she compare what she did to that? And furthermore, I agree with most former Hillary, now Barack Obama supporters are saying. The people have spoken and over 18 million people decided that experience wasn't important. So this bitch and McCain better get it together because voters aren't questioning Obama's experience. |
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Post by klein on Sept 4, 2008 13:53:05 GMT -5
Please America don't vote Mc Cain. The world can't take an other 4-8 years of republican BS.
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Post by disarray on Sept 4, 2008 14:01:23 GMT -5
Sarah Palin is amazing. I've never seen a politician who was so genuine and un-phony. I like her. I like her a lot moer than I like McCain.
Obama is so not qualified to be president. I didn't even realize that most of his votes in the senate were merely "present" meaning he refused to take a stand and vote yes or no. That is not leadership.
I think Obama better be real worried about this latest development. Until Sarah came along, McCain didn't have a shot, but she has the whole party on fire now.
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Post by adhara on Sept 4, 2008 15:58:10 GMT -5
It's a day later, and I'm still fuming. In all honesty, I hope the person I saw yesterday was NOT the real Sarah Palin. I commend her for being a fighter, and she did really well getting her family drama out of the limelight, but the person I saw was dishonest and mean-spirited. "I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education better."Ok. But then why did she say this: "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities."I don't even know where to begin. Maybe this: www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/04/martin.community/index.htmland www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGWthR7vdfI"Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights?"Ugh. I don't understand their position on this. John McCain, as a former tortured POW, should understand the concept of basic human rights. And the Republicans are sticking to their patriotism nonsense. I hate how they're consciously creating qualifications for being "American", because being born in America obviously isn't enough. Military service is the only relevant service to your country. You can only have your character tested through war. Sending your kid to Iraq is commended whereas getting an education and upward mobility is "elitist". I feel that because I live in a big city, I don't hunt, don't own guns, am not white, and am a community organizer, I'm painted as un-American. |
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Post by lhrulz2007 on Sept 4, 2008 17:48:32 GMT -5
It was a great speech, but really has anyone ever given a bad acceptance speech. It was just a great speech filled with lies and slander, but virtually no substance. I'm not really suprised though it's all the Republicans have done this time and all they did last time.
Did anyone else notice that she didn't say Obama's or Biden's name until the end of the speech and that was just once?
Your point about the Republicans is very true. Basically if you're not republican you're an unamerican terrorist sympathizer the way they put it. Military service is important as long as your Republican, just look at what they did to John Kerry.
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Post by jolene102 on Sept 4, 2008 21:08:56 GMT -5
Please America don't vote Mc Cain. The world can't take an other 4-8 years of republican BS. Amen to that! |
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Post by lhrulz2007 on Sept 5, 2008 18:06:20 GMT -5
Sarah Palin is amazing. I've never seen a politician who was so genuine and un-phony. I like her. I like her a lot moer than I like McCain. Obama is so not qualified to be president. I didn't even realize that most of his votes in the senate were merely "present" meaning he refused to take a stand and vote yes or no. That is not leadership. I think Obama better be real worried about this latest development. Until Sarah came along, McCain didn't have a shot, but she has the whole party on fire now. She certainly doesn't seem genuine to me. Giving a speech with little substance and just attacks against the opponent, must of which were just slander, seems pretty typical. Saying she said "thanks but no thanks" the bridge to nowhere was just a lie. She wanted the bridge until it became a national embarassment, but kept the earmark money. Her speech and record just show another typical poltician. In the US senate voting present is not an option. In the Illinois Senate from my understanding voting Present is quite common. It's basically voting that the bill needs some work. I think 4 years in the Seante involves dealing with national and international issues. What exactly does being Mayer of Wasilla and the Governor of Alaska entail. I mean the exectuive experiene is a nice argument, but isn't the biggest responsibilty of the VP as a Legislator. If being a governor for less than two years of a state of less than 700,000 qualifies you for the presidency more than serving in the Senate McCain and Palin should flip. McCain should be worried that Palin will ruin any chance he has. There is so much coming out about her and any one could gain traction and and end his chances. Palin has become the best fundraiser Obama could hope for. |
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Post by adhara on Sept 5, 2008 18:47:07 GMT -5
McCain should be worried that Palin will ruin any chance he has. There is so much coming out about her and any one could gain traction and and end his chances. Palin has become the best fundraiser Obama could hope for. I used to think that too, but there's already been so much shady stuff out about her, and they (McCain voters) just turn a blind eye to it all  . Maybe part of it is because family issues are considered off-limits. I'm starting to question that though, because McCain/Palin mention her family time and time again to boost her image- hockey mom, PTA, son going to Iraq, youngest child with down syndrome. If they can keep mentioning these character-enhancing things, what makes talking about the rest of her family out of bounds? I'm not saying that the media should - I just think Palin/Republicans are setting a double standard here. |
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Post by gurlnlifemagazine on Sept 5, 2008 18:49:43 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not worried about her coming in and dis-crediting Obama in anyway. McCain has never lead Obama in the national polls and now he has pulled ahead of him again. I mean, the Republicans act as if America is filled with dumbasses and don't see that McCain is trying to push the change theme off as "reform." Who the hell is buying that? The same idiots who voted for Bush?
Speaking of Bush, how fucked up is the Republican party that they didn't even acknowledge Bush or want him there. Bill Clinton and the Kennedy's where honored and praised by the Democrates, yet the Republican's completely dumbed Bush in pit. They didn't even want him int he building. The hurricane isn't even a good excuse because he still could have made it there.
All in all, Palin won't win the election for McCain. Obama's base is too large and too strong and the Republicans are too stupid to realize that Obama didn't win the primary because of his experience. Over 18 million people decided that wasn't important so for them to try to use that again his is beyond a dumbass move.
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Post by jolene102 on Sept 5, 2008 19:59:28 GMT -5
isn't it funny how obama's lack of experience has been brought up again and again by mccain, but then he goes and because a vp that has hardly any experience as well. duh!
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Post by klein on Sept 6, 2008 0:17:10 GMT -5
Because thats one of the only few things they can use against Obama. I just loved how Democrats talked pretty detailed about what they were going to change and how and Republicans just were like YEAH AMERICA RULES, AMERICANS ARE AWESOME. WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY. blah blah blah..... no substance at all. oh and .... Yeah what could be better than a Vice President who stronlgy opposes sex education in schools and birth control. Yeah thats the kind of person America needs. "mommy why am i getting fat and throwing up?"  McCain only picked her to score sympathy points because she's a woman. Let's face it. It was also interesting to see how everyone at the republican convention ignored the fact that the last 8 years which brought America into the situation it's in right now WERE UNDER REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP. Hellloo? They just acted like it was someone else's mess. McCain is a guy who supported 95% of Bush's decision. Do you really want an other Bush-like presidency/administration? Go ahead and vote Republican then. |
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Post by gurlnlifemagazine on Sept 6, 2008 11:30:54 GMT -5
McCain only picked her to score sympathy points because she's a woman. Let's face it. It was also interesting to see how everyone at the republican convention ignored the fact that the last 8 years which brought America into the situation it's in right now WERE UNDER REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP. Hellloo? They just acted like it was someone else's mess. Very much a good point, Daniel. Romey's dumbass actually said something like "aren't we sick of the liberal controlled politics." What the fuck? What country has he been living in? I want to move there because I know it must be good. And at the last convention the Republicans couldn't get enough of licking 9/11 out of Bush's ass and spiting it out to the American people to get them to vote for him. Now they didn't even have him in the building or bother to mention him in the 9/11 tribute video. Republican's are a party of liars and delusional people who refuse to acknowledge the plain truth and try to sell the country candy. |
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Post by gogonutz on Sept 6, 2008 11:52:21 GMT -5
Personally I think either hardcore Democrats and hardcore Republicans are way too one-sided. Both parties (& candidates) have their pros and cons in my eyes, and both have sides that would make me feel unsure about them being the leader of my country.
I think if I were in the US, I'd probably be one of the swing votes.. I could go either way, generally. This time I would however lean towards Obama, as he seems more trustworthy to me, although he's way too liberal for my liking. But McCain, also, I think would be a step forward compared to the current administration. (side note, if I would have been able to vote last time (Bush - Kerry), I would have voted Bush, as I considered him the lesser of two evils at the time)
About the running mates, well, neither of them really convinces me. Daniel has a point that McCain chose Palin for obvious reasons, but I don't think that's the only reason. It could play to his advantage to have someone rather unknown to the majority of the voters. Gives them a chance to create an image for her instead of someone who people already have a judgement of. And of course the Democrats and their followers (which I think is about 99% of the people posting in this thread) aren't gonna like her.
And although most people here think 'disarray' is out of her mind for supporting the Republicans she seems to be the only one posting here who has the balls to say that Obama's not perfect. I do sometimes feel like this thread is a campaign thread for Obama.
And yes, he is very charismatic, and I do think that a good number of his ideas are at least decent, and lets face it, possibly be the first non-white president of the US (whether or not you like it, it plays a significant role). And like I said, he seems like he's quite trustworthy. But then again I am not convinced that he has enough strength or decisiveness to be 'the most powerful man in politics'. I hope for all of you guys that he does have all that, but he hasn't convinced me of that at all.
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Post by klein on Sept 6, 2008 13:55:42 GMT -5
Well, honestly... how much worse could Obama be compared to Bush? If you ask me, this is America's chance to try to start over and clean up some of the mess that Bush left behind. If McCain gets elected the whole shit storm will just continue.
Of course Obama has his downsides too. Nobody is perfect, especially in US elections. But seriously, this election is a no-brainer to me. You vote McCain, you might as well have voted an other 4 years of Bush.
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. Maybe part of it is because family issues are considered off-limits. I'm starting to question that though, because McCain/Palin mention her family time and time again to boost her image- hockey mom, PTA, son going to Iraq, youngest child with down syndrome. If they can keep mentioning these character-enhancing things, what makes talking about the rest of her family out of bounds? I'm not saying that the media should - I just think Palin/Republicans are setting a double standard here. 
. I'd also like to know if anybody has an HD copy of Lifehouse at Pinkpop 2003. BY far their best concert ever