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Post by celticflower on Dec 14, 2012 12:25:42 GMT -5
I have my moments when I absolutely love the tracks, and then some that I see that the tracks seem somewhat unfinished..
I DO very strongly agree that Jude's review of the album is odd and makes it feel like it is his album not the boys' ..I do not know him personally, so I cannot say anything about that..this is just a feeling I am getting, whether it is true or not.
If they do track the acoustic, which I believe they do not, then I'd be highly dissapointed though
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Post by ledvedderman on Dec 14, 2012 12:27:13 GMT -5
To be honest, I've yet to come across post that even edges on the edge of personally negative. I'm on some other message boards (Pearl Jam, Radiohead) and people there are just brutal. This is a great forum. We can voice our pleasure/disappointment and people here honestly give thought to the topic.
The negativity about the new music is a given. Not necessarily THIS album, but there are some who want NNF or SCF again and it's just not going to happen. There's a saying that you have your entire life to write your first record and then it's all limited to a 2-3 year period.
It's safe to disagree here. Personally, my disappointment comes from not pushing FURTHER from the Lifehouse sound. Here Tomorrow Gone Today opened up a new sound for them and I think they could have made that work w/o being a total pop record.
Just my two cents.
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Post by gogonutz on Dec 14, 2012 12:30:50 GMT -5
Even though we are aloud to voice our opinion, whether that is positive or negative, we can also still make an effort to create a more welcoming atmosphere, because I think that's what Christy is aiming at and she definitely has a point. I wouldn't go as far as to call it toxic of hostile, but there is a sense of definite negativity on here. And while I perfectly understand where that's coming from and I wouldn't want anyone to feel like they couldn't say what they are feeling, I also would like to remain an open and welcoming community. And while I know that it still as a welcoming community I do understand how it doesn't portray like that to the outside world. And I don't think it's too hard to just keep that in mind. I think most of us have pretty much said what we wanted to say about the new album in regards of what we don't like. It might be a good idea to not rehash it all the time, because there isn't really a point in that. How about we start analyzing the songs, see what we can find in there that's interesting (without necessarily judging it). We used to do that with previous albums, so lets re-create that, in a sense  |
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Post by celticflower on Dec 14, 2012 13:03:21 GMT -5
what I think can be a great thing about both the positive and the negative that we can learn from it: Christy has shown me some positive sides to the album I had not seen..and perhaps the negative comments might also make the more postive people think(whether about the album, about lifehouse as a band, or in general). Personally (but I am not the owner of this board, lol) I am not so much busy with the outside world, but more interested in that we can discuss all that is going on..and that even if we do not agree on some level, perhaps, we still appreciate the thoughts that people bring to the discussion..but that is just my personal feeling. when seeing this from a new fan of almeria perspective, I could see why they would not want to be here at this point..but c'est la vie to me:p
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Post by klein on Dec 14, 2012 13:50:11 GMT -5
I think it is important to this community that people can freely express their opinions on the music and the band, be it negative or positive without constantly being reminded that we need to be nice to eachother and to keep it civil. Everybody here is nice to one another. I disagree that this forum has become more toxic. If anything, it has become more interesting with a wider range of opinions and has become less "everything Lifehouse does is awesome and right and I love them", which is the feeling I used to get from this place in the past, which is also why I stayed away for a long time. There are people on here (and I mean no offence by this) who would give a 100% rating to a Lifehouse album that consisted of them singing the phone book. And believe me I get it. But this sort of mindset makes it difficult to have a *real* conversation with anybody because every ounce of negativity is perceived tenfold by those types of people.
I think it is also very important for the band to realize and see that a lot of people are indeed unhappy with the path they are taking, and it exposes them to a little bit of honesty and real talk as opposed to the endless praise they normally get. We do not help the band or ourselves if all we do is applaud them for everything they do, sometimes it is necessary to say "hey guys....might wanna dial it back a bit with the auto-tune" (just an example). It's important for an artist to be exposed to criticism just as much as praise.
To people who are reading this who are thinking about joining the forum: please do join. But also understand that not everyone might agree with your views. We all come from different backgrounds and we all have different tastes and opinions.
Now, about Jude Cole. I get the feeling that he's trying to make up for things he couldn't accomplish in his own career by trying to accomplish them with Lifehouse. I think this is a really really bad idea. We have reached the point where one could argue that Jude Cole was more involved in the making of a Lifehouse album than Jason Wade (song writing wise, instrumentation wise etc.) and that is a dangerous place to be for any band. I would like to see him fade more into the background out of respect for the band's own skills and creativity. I don't want ColeHouse, I want Lifehouse. If this means they have to use a new producer on the next album, so be it. In fact I would welcome that simply for the sake of changing things up.
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Post by Minka on Dec 14, 2012 14:26:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the review Christy! I had to giggle when I saw Jason "stancing", but also got reminded how much he grew as a performer. Look at the 2001/2002 videos, where he was just a scared little kid, hiding behind his guitar with closed eyes and look how he grew since then and this stancing is just another stop in his growing as a performer, right now it looks just funny to me, but only because it is so new to see this from him. I LOVEd Right Back Home live, they really rocked it, Only You're The One is good, but I think it needs some work and I do not like the sounds at the beginning of it. Haven't watched all videos yet, but will in the next days. I am not too happy he becomes a LH songwriter (Nobody listen) and I would want him to give more space in the studio to Ben, Ricky and Bryce. Ben an Bryce created a lot of good stuff in the past months and for me it's a waste of potential within the band that they can't voice all of that on the Lifehouse record. And as we see from Christy's videos, they add much more life to this music during shows. AMEN! It does really make me sad to see how not involved Ben, Bryce and Ricky, especially with Ben!!! It's a waste of their talents, I think if just those 4 would get together and create songs together, without Jude or any other people around, they could come up with some amazing stuff and I'd love to see that one day! I personaly think Almeria is a good record, I do LOVE some of the songs, but then again there are songs where I only think "what the hell were the guys thinking". As much as I love some of the songs, I do miss a deeper meaniing to quite many songs. And as for the MB Christy, I do get where you are coming from and I don't think anyone wants to create a negative atmosphere here, but for me it feels these days, like this MB is one of the few places, maybe even the last place where we/I can speak out loud what we/I really think about Almeria (and not being attacked)....if I look on FB and Twitter there are so many posts about praising this record, but I don't want to close my eyes to both sides. (not saying that you do so), I think it is important to be open to the views of other people. I don't think it is toxic here, I think it is great that everyone can say what they really think and not being attacked, "because we aren't superfans" when we say somehting not so positive, I think it is great that everoyne can speak their minds, positive or negative. I also think with all the discussions, it is much more interesting now. |
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Post by escalibur on Dec 14, 2012 14:36:13 GMT -5
I don't want ColeHouse, I want Lifehouse. Me either. I hope that one day they will ditch him or he will find new a victim. This is seriously annoying about Lifehouse's development. At NNF era they were serious promising band with huge hit right from the beginning and now they barely staying on the charts for a few months. Take a long break, find a new producer, make a serious record without autotune and crap like that and I'm sure you will bounce back.  |
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Post by celticflower on Dec 14, 2012 14:38:59 GMT -5
Minka: YEs to the waste of talent! look at how Bryce and Ben evolve in their other projects! LH could so use this! I do really like the sounds at the beginning of only you're the one though"D
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Post by YesNoMaybe on Dec 14, 2012 15:32:06 GMT -5
All I have to say is that I have NEVER, EVER seen them perform better. They have so many tricks up their sleeve that fans have not seen before. It was overwhelming how amazing these songs came off live. The energy was completely ridiculous. I haven't seen all the videos just yet, but from what I have seen I 100% agree with this statement! I did think it was a great performance. Somehow, it seems like the guys are connecting a bit more with each other during the performance. The group-feeling is showing just a tiny bit more than before. Probably because Bryce seems to be doing a bit more vocals now. And I think part of that may have to do with Winnie being on stage. Winnie is playing more than just a supporting role in the band and he is just one of their secret weapons... he is playing keyboards, guitar, and singing backup and even a short solo vocal... and he's REALLY good!!!! Haha, that is a good one. He indeed is a secret weapon I think Right Back Home sounds amazing live. I love the way that they've solved the different voices on the album track by asking Winnie to sing. And Winnie sounds really good. I had no idea that he could sing! With Winnie doing that, it frees up Jason to interact more with the music and the crowd. Jason is busting out some dance moves you've never seen before in your lifetime. He's playing tamborine... stomping around on stage, basically becoming the music... and he basically at one point did a Geronimo leap off stage to interact with the crowd. lol Jason's dance moves.... are a bit uncomfortable. But it's really cool, it's adorkable It's nice to see him so far out of his comfort-zone. Just the fact that he is doing that is really really nice to see. I'm sure to him it feels like taking a big risk and it takes some courage to do that. So props to him! I hope he keeps it up. And who knows, we may see him doing the airplane like the Script and SafetySuit. Bryce... oh man... you guys... Bryce's vocals made my jaw drop... I mean, I've always liked his voice, but he is so much stronger as a vocalist that it's not EVEN funny. He is such a great supporting vocalist for Jason, but when it's his time to sing a solo part... it's EFFORTLESS now... wow... props to Bryce... plus he's playing bass and keys and still bringing out the bow ... not to mention ROCKING that cool hat of his. I noticed that as well! He really has taken his vocals up a notch. Thanks for a wonderful review Christy! I enjoyed reading it and I really do hope that you keep coming back to this board. Your positive vibe does rub off on others. And I do think this board needs people who enjoy the newer LH music as well. In fact I've been thinking about the whole "lyrical content" issue that you and many others have brought up. I actually have a whole bunch of thoughts on that that I think it would be interesting to discuss further. Maybe that's a separate thread though. I actually would love to hear your thoughts on the lyrical content I don't think the videos can quite capture what I'm talking about, but a lot of fans were excited and noticed a change in Jason's confidence and performance level. Indeed, it looks like Jason is growing ever more confident on stage. It's a really cool thing to see this change happen. Just being completely at ease on stage can do so much for a performance. There are people on here (and I mean no offence by this) who would give a 100% rating to a Lifehouse album that consisted of them singing the phone book. And believe me I get it. But this sort of mindset makes it difficult to have a *real* conversation with anybody because every ounce of negativity is perceived tenfold by those types of people. Haha, maybe we should put this to the test. Let Lifehouse sing the phone book. See how people react  Joking aside, I do think you need some people who are positive about the songs (as well as people who are more critical) to have a *real* conversation. And I do get the feeling that the people who like the album are in the minority, and maybe even feel a bit left out, no longer part of the in-crowd. Now, that's not a nice feeling. I'm not trying to say that everyone should praise Lifehouse for every little action they take. Sure you can criticize their songs. I'm all for discussions, so let people express their opinions. But at the same time, I also think it wouldn't hurt to think about the consequences of this. As Koen so eloquently put it, it would be nice if the MB can remain an open and welcoming community. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 19:56:55 GMT -5
I am admittedly someone who is quite sensitive to what I perceive as negativity. It brings me down. When I said it felt toxic around here, I think I was mostly referring to the way it affected me. It was poor word choice on my part. I agree with many people that it's not actually toxic, but it kind of works like poison to my own enthusiasm... I guess that's what I was trying to say. My general philosophy in life since going through difficulties of my own is to focus on the things that make me happy, so I guess I find my self at odds with my own philosophy right now. Again, I'm not saying that anything needs to change here on the forum, I'm just explaining my reasoning in case that would be something that other people hadn't considered as an unintentional consequence. I definitely wish everyone on the boards well. I really don't have any hard feelings. So, I'll see you around on FB and Twitter perhaps? And I'm sorry if you guys think that I tried to split fans or start some kind of contest or something... that was never my intent. I'm all about peace and love and community, as boring as that may be lol <3 |
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Post by LHfanMI on Dec 16, 2012 23:22:48 GMT -5
Am I the only one that thinks Between the Raindrops is about 10 thousand times better with JUST Lifehouse and without Natasha?
I think it could have actually gained some strong radio play and momentum without her.
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Post by klein on Dec 17, 2012 1:42:30 GMT -5
I disagree, I think the one thing that makes this song interesting is the fact that it is a duet.
If you took that out of the equation you really wouldn't have much else left to help it stand out at least a LITTLE bit from everything else on the radio.
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Post by celticflower on Dec 17, 2012 4:34:15 GMT -5
I also have to disagree: Natasha brings a different vibe to the song that I think is necessary to make it more interesting. that and she's a good name to do a duet with:p
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Post by gogonutz on Dec 17, 2012 5:49:59 GMT -5
For commercial purposes, she draws new fans into the mix, so I think that's a smart move. Besides, I think their vocals match up quite well.
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Post by sofii on Dec 17, 2012 9:40:26 GMT -5
I like to listen Lifehouse with Natasha Bedingfield... And honestly, in my opinion, "Between The Raindrops" is only playing on the radio (here in Portugal for example) because of Natasha..
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Joking aside, I do think you need some people who are positive about the songs (as well as people who are more critical) to have a *real* conversation. And I do get the feeling that the people who like the album are in the minority, and maybe even feel a bit left out, no longer part of the in-crowd. Now, that's not a nice feeling. I'm not trying to say that everyone should praise Lifehouse for every little action they take. Sure you can criticize their songs. I'm all for discussions, so let people express their opinions. But at the same time, I also think it wouldn't hurt to think about the consequences of this. As Koen so eloquently put it, it would be nice if the MB can remain an open and welcoming community.
. I'd also like to know if anybody has an HD copy of Lifehouse at Pinkpop 2003. BY far their best concert ever