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Post by KarlatheLHFan on Oct 9, 2008 20:32:16 GMT -5
I agree. The debate was nothing new. Nothing we didn't already know. Boring, and my mind is made up anyway. I thought I was going to shoot myself in the foot (I can't use them anyway) if I heard McCain utter "my friends" one more damn time! Daniel and I both pointed out that McCain has the gait of a penguin ;D, lol
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Post by adhara on Oct 16, 2008 17:19:38 GMT -5
I'm glad the debates are done... So much attention has been focused on the presidential race, but there's a lot else at stake too, like Prop 8 in California. I was surprised to see recent polls that show 47% supporting Prop 8 while only 42% are opposed  . |
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Post by savemeimdtba on Oct 17, 2008 15:26:37 GMT -5
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Post by cayters on Oct 18, 2008 1:11:35 GMT -5
yeah, i saw that.. i think mccain was funnier (to me/the public) than obama though?
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Post by KarlatheLHFan on Oct 18, 2008 2:09:46 GMT -5
This is the kind of thing that makes you  and ;D at the same time! I thought they both were pretty funny! The whole celebrity thing and Obama talking about spilling his chi tea on his shiatsu was HILARIOUS!!!!!!! lol!!! |
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Post by savemeimdtba on Oct 18, 2008 2:34:39 GMT -5
I think Obama was funnier  McCain was funny too though. |
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Post by gogonutz on Oct 18, 2008 9:52:47 GMT -5
McCain had the better jokes, but Obama had more, so I'll give it a tie
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Post by adhara on Oct 23, 2008 16:09:12 GMT -5
Kinda late on this, but I really liked what Colin Powell had to say on last Sunday's Meet the Press about there being nothing wrong with being a Muslim...
"I’m also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, “Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.” Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he’s a Christian. He’s always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer’s no, that’s not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, “He’s a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists.” This is not the way we should be doing it in America.
I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son’s grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards–Purple Heart, Bronze Star–showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn’t have a Christian cross, it didn’t have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way."
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Post by gogonutz on Oct 23, 2008 16:41:04 GMT -5
it's about time someone with a high profile like Powell said that
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Post by allie on Oct 24, 2008 1:22:54 GMT -5
^^me too. as sad as i am to say this, one of my best friends, shes a hard-core republican and not educated (beyond the very basic high school) and she actually said, actually said "well, obama's the enemy. hes a muslim." actually said it. we always argue over politics, but right then and there i just closed my mouth and knew there was no point even going on. i dont get how you can talk to people like that. and i have nothing against republicans, but hard-core anything is tough to handle and with a statement like that.. oh man. i dont even know...
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Post by adhara on Oct 24, 2008 9:04:37 GMT -5
This may really be a change election. Is it possible that America is finally coming around to the idea of health care for all? From an Oct. 23 CBS/NYT poll that asks: Do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea to raise income taxes on households and businesses that make MORE than $250,000 a year in order to help provide health insurance for people who are not covered by health insurance? Good Idea 62% Bad Idea 33% ...All you guys from countries with universal health care (be it single-payer or not) - what's it like? Are the waiting times, quality of care, etc. really as bad as Americans think it to be? edit: I have to add that I think it's so sad that the U.S. lags behind like 30 countries in terms of life expectancy. ucatlas.ucsc.edu/health/spend/cost_longlife75.gif |
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Post by KarlatheLHFan on Oct 24, 2008 10:08:07 GMT -5
Kinda late on this, but I really liked what Colin Powell had to say on last Sunday's Meet the Press about there being nothing wrong with being a Muslim... "I’m also troubled by, not what Senator McCain says, but what members of the party say. And it is permitted to be said such things as, “Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim.” Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he’s a Christian. He’s always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer’s no, that’s not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president? Yet, I have heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion, “He’s a Muslim and he might be associated terrorists.” This is not the way we should be doing it in America. I feel strongly about this particular point because of a picture I saw in a magazine. It was a photo essay about troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. And one picture at the tail end of this photo essay was of a mother in Arlington Cemetery, and she had her head on the headstone of her son’s grave. And as the picture focused in, you could see the writing on the headstone. And it gave his awards–Purple Heart, Bronze Star–showed that he died in Iraq, gave his date of birth, date of death. He was 20 years old. And then, at the very top of the headstone, it didn’t have a Christian cross, it didn’t have the Star of David, it had crescent and a star of the Islamic faith. And his name was Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan, and he was an American. He was born in New Jersey. He was 14 years old at the time of 9/11, and he waited until he can go serve his country, and he gave his life. Now, we have got to stop polarizing ourself in this way." I loved that too! I just watched that on You Tube a couple of days ago, and I'm amazed that someone from the GOP is well-rounded enough to realize something like that! Man, I bet he is catching some shit for it. Maybe sooner or later, he'll change parties. BUT yeah, the kind of momentum even with one of the BIGGEST republicans is really showing what kind of turning point this election may be! |
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Post by KarlatheLHFan on Oct 24, 2008 10:11:31 GMT -5
This may really be a change election. Is it possible that America is finally coming around to the idea of health care for all? From an Oct. 23 CBS/NYT poll that asks: Do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea to raise income taxes on households and businesses that make MORE than $250,000 a year in order to help provide health insurance for people who are not covered by health insurance? Good Idea 62% Bad Idea 33% ...All you guys from countries with universal health care (be it single-payer or not) - what's it like? Are the waiting times, quality of care, etc. really as bad as Americans think it to be? edit: I have to add that I think it's so sad that the U.S. lags behind like 30 countries in terms of life expectancy. ucatlas.ucsc.edu/health/spend/cost_longlife75.gifI agree with your edit too, Laura! As the richest and supposed most opportunistic country in the world, we have less health care? Does not make sense, and I definitely support the idea of universal health care. I think it would be a great thing, and not to mention, it would make a lot of people's lives, especially those who are unfortunate and poor a whole lot easier. |
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Post by gogonutz on Oct 24, 2008 16:20:24 GMT -5
Actually, compared to how the health care works in the US, I would say that it's a lot smoother over here. When I get sick, I go to my doctor, and he helps me. If I can't he refers me to a specialist. If it's serious, I get helped immediately. And otherwise, I usually never have to wait long.
And the Netherlands isn't even really one of the smoothest systems. Scandinavian countries are famous for their social governing and both their education and health care system. Ours is based on their system, basically.
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Post by adhara on Oct 28, 2008 9:43:56 GMT -5
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and ;D at the same time! I thought they both were pretty funny! The whole celebrity thing and Obama talking about spilling his chi tea on his shiatsu was HILARIOUS!!!!!!! lol!!!
McCain was funny too though. 
. I'd also like to know if anybody has an HD copy of Lifehouse at Pinkpop 2003. BY far their best concert ever