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Post by Rein on Feb 4, 2012 9:06:57 GMT -5
Firstly, I don’t believe that Jude is ‘guilty’, but I think we have to thank him (and of course Jason (-> he has a large musicale input), Rick, Ben and Bryce) that Lifehouse is such a great band! And I have to say I love the raw material & live performances! Yeah No Name Face is still my favourite album. But I also love the ‘new’ Lifehouse. The new Lifehouse is: Here Tomorrow Gone Today, Nerve Damage, Wrecking Ball and Smoke & Mirrors. I think (almost) every Lifehouse-fan loves those songs! The old sound (No Name Face and Stanley Climbfall) was of course super, but I also think the new sound is great. Especially live. The lyrics were a little bit better in the past (No Name Face and Stanley Climbfall). But nowadays Lifehouse is grown and perhaps more populair than ever. And I think they are now more ‘open’. And they love to come to Europe (2010-2011-2012 Yeah!). The ‘old school’ Lifehouse is also on Smoke & Mirrors: Near Life Experience & In Your Skin. Maybe because ‘radio friendly’ songs like Halfway Gone, Lifehouse is back in Europe. I love them because their total package is awesome! My love for Lifehouse is Blind!  |
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Post by YesNoMaybe on Feb 4, 2012 15:07:58 GMT -5
Fun discussion! I think most of the things that I want to say have been said already. Many things have changed since NNF and SCF, Jude is hardly the only factor. And I agree with most of you saying that LH should continue doing what they love to do. Although I cannot help but love NNF just a bit more than all the other albums. Those songs just speak to me. Everything is just right on that album. The lyrics, the music, the mood it creates, everything just seems to come together perfectly on that album. To me, that album is flawless. Even with NNF as my favorite, I still love their new work and cannot wait for their new album to be released (or to get a sneak preview, hopefully some time soon). There is just one thought that has crossed my mind and it hasn't been mentioned before in this thread. I'm not at all sure whether it is true. I'm just going to put it out there and see what you guys think The thought goes like this: In the past the guys have talked about feeling like they are pushed into this corner of being a Christian band due to their lyrics. With their newer work there seems to be less ambiguity in their lyrics. It seems to be less applicable to a higher power. I wonder whether they are deliberately trying to stay away from lyrics that might be interpreted in a religious way. Do you think that would be a factor they consider when writing songs? |
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Post by Minka on Feb 5, 2012 11:48:48 GMT -5
Fun discussion!There is just one thought that has crossed my mind and it hasn't been mentioned before in this thread. I'm not at all sure whether it is true. I'm just going to put it out there and see what you guys think The thought goes like this: In the past the guys have talked about feeling like they are pushed into this corner of being a Christian band due to their lyrics. With their newer work there seems to be less ambiguity in their lyrics. It seems to be less applicable to a higher power. I wonder whether they are deliberately trying to stay away from lyrics that might be interpreted in a religious way. Do you think that would be a factor they consider when writing songs? It's probably just how Jason evolved when it comes to his writing. I don't think they were pushed into this corner because of the lyrics, I think it was more because Jason, at the beginning of their career, talked more open about being christian, or as he mostly called it, spiritual, so I guess that's why "hardcore"  christians pushed them into this corner for so many years, these days he doesn't really talks about his spiritual side anymore. Many of the spiritual songs don't seem spiritual at all to me, I find my own meanings in their songs and that's one of the things I love about LH and what I miss in the newer songs. |
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Post by aminta on Feb 6, 2012 3:34:53 GMT -5
To quote Lifehouse: "Gravity pulls and we fall from the clouds/ we proved to each other that we're [...] human now" - the lyrics on the last records deal more with relationships and everyday life issues, Jason seems to stand strong on the ground with his choice of song themes. I really love it because I can relate to it at the moment I am in my life now... I think songs like "Smoke and mirrors" speak to me more than they would have 10 years ago, I wouldn't understand so much from it back then. However, "Don't wake me when it's over" seems to be a strong, spiritual song for me. With all that 'apocalyptic' imaginery : "I'm floating in my mind, as the world gets colder" , "I'm falling with the tide" , "Running out of time, as the sun gets closer / Fading far behind, yesterday grows older /Breakdown, all around the world is off my shoulder" he still sings : "You say a hard rain's gonna fall, but I'm not afraid" and I can feel strong faith behind it, and it strikes me like a thunder . |
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Post by gogonutz on Feb 6, 2012 19:30:32 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that it is making you angry. I don't think anyone meant any disrespect or misbehavior. They/we were just expressing their thoughts. Everyone's entitled to an opinion and so far the discussion's been civilized. Different fans have different connections to the music and even though people are fans of a band and/or their music, they should still be aloud to express criticism concerning that band or their music. Whether these opinions and this criticism are always informed or substantionally motivated may be another question. But so far, the things that have been expressed in this thread have been civilized and have basically been an expression of opinions on what directions the band has taken musically and what different people would like to see/hear. I don't see the harm in that.
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Post by escalibur on Feb 7, 2012 6:02:40 GMT -5
This thread is making me quite angry Uhmm, what?! |
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Post by YesNoMaybe on Feb 7, 2012 7:24:33 GMT -5
I don't think they were pushed into this corner because of the lyrics, I think it was more because Jason, at the beginning of their career, talked more open about being christian, or as he mostly called it, spiritual, so I guess that's why "hardcore" christians pushed them into this corner for so many years, these days he doesn't really talks about his spiritual side anymore. Many of the spiritual songs don't seem spiritual at all to me, I find my own meanings in their songs and that's one of the things I love about LH and what I miss in the newer songs. I don't mind them not talking about their spiritual side. It's probably best for the band not to do so. But it would be a pity if that is the reason why they shy away from lyrics that may be interpreted in a spiritual way. Now, I myself am not a religious person at all (maybe spiritual, but I guess I would consider myself a realist mostly). It's not so much the references to a higher power that attract me, it's more the ambiguity in their songs. Not knowing what it is about and being able to find your own meaning to the songs, just like you said. I think that Jason made a great decision when he decided not to explain their songs and what they are about. To quote Lifehouse: "Gravity pulls and we fall from the clouds/ we proved to each other that we're [...] human now" - the lyrics on the last records deal more with relationships and everyday life issues, Jason seems to stand strong on the ground with his choice of song themes. However, "Don't wake me when it's over" seems to be a strong, spiritual song for me. With all that 'apocalyptic' imaginery : "I'm floating in my mind, as the world gets colder" , "I'm falling with the tide" , "Running out of time, as the sun gets closer / Fading far behind, yesterday grows older /Breakdown, all around the world is off my shoulder" I definitely love the newer songs as well! Smoke and Mirrors, All That I'm Asking For, Nerve Damage are all great, great songs, and I really enjoy listening to them. But I also love Don't Wake Me When It's Over because you can listen to it over and find something different in it every time. I just wish there were more of those lyrically ambiguous songs on the album itself. This thread is making me quite angry Hi Dana. I agree that the thread sounds kinda negative. Especially when you look at the title of the topic. But when you read the messages I think all of them are very respectful. Everyone on this board is a LH fan. We're all supportive of the band. If someone would change the topic title, would that take away your anger? |
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Post by celticflower on Feb 7, 2012 12:55:21 GMT -5
I agree with that the messages so far are indeed respectful and just a way of presenting different opinions. the title is a bit negative, but the rest is just an open discussion in my opinion. for me personally, smoke and mirrors, in your skin,here tomorrow gone today, nerve damage, and near life experience really do something to me lyrically..I find new stuff to wonder in them each and every time:-) but I do agree that many songs just lost their lyric intensity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 18:22:31 GMT -5
Firstly, I don’t believe that Jude is ‘guilty’, but I think we have to thank him (and of course Jason (-> he has a large musicale input), Rick, Ben and Bryce) that Lifehouse is such a great band! And I have to say I love the raw material & live performances! Yeah No Name Face is still my favourite album. But I also love the ‘new’ Lifehouse. The new Lifehouse is: Here Tomorrow Gone Today, Nerve Damage, Wrecking Ball and Smoke & Mirrors. I think (almost) every Lifehouse-fan loves those songs! The old sound (No Name Face and Stanley Climbfall) was of course super, but I also think the new sound is great. Especially live. The lyrics were a little bit better in the past (No Name Face and Stanley Climbfall). But nowadays Lifehouse is grown and perhaps more populair than ever. And I think they are now more ‘open’. And they love to come to Europe (2010-2011-2012 Yeah!). The ‘old school’ Lifehouse is also on Smoke & Mirrors: Near Life Experience & In Your Skin. Maybe because ‘radio friendly’ songs like Halfway Gone, Lifehouse is back in Europe. I love them because their total package is awesome! My love for Lifehouse is Blind! *pushes the imaginary like button*  I think the thread title is dreadful and it made me mad initially, too... but sometimes that's what gets people talking, so it's served it's purpose. I don't like to see anybody getting singled out or picked on...especially when they're really good people, so it kind of activated my skrappy side. lol But I think everyone's been pretty respectful ... except for maybe me! hahaha <3 |
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Post by gogonutz on Feb 8, 2012 8:49:08 GMT -5
I deleted the sad smiley, that makes the title more neutral
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Post by aminta on Feb 8, 2012 15:41:34 GMT -5
Well done |
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Post by escalibur on Feb 8, 2012 17:52:56 GMT -5
I deleted the sad smiley, that makes the title more neutral Actually you've changed the whole meaning of the topic.  ..and no my opinion is still that they should still try another producer sometimes in the future. Regardless how good or bad Jude actually is. |
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Post by aminta on Feb 9, 2012 4:06:30 GMT -5
I deleted the sad smiley, that makes the title more neutral Actually you've changed the whole meaning of the topic. ..and no my opinion is still that they should still try another producer sometimes in the future. Regardless how good or bad Jude actually is. Sorry Escalibur, but the thread's title suggested that you're attacking Jude Cole as a person working with Lifehouse in general. Now that the sad smiley is gone it shows the discussion is more open and it points you meant Jude Cole's role as a PRODUCER - I think that was your intention, right? The title with the sad smiley looked like a mental shortcut... The good thing is that the thread you started made the board lively again and the discussion brought interesting things to the surface, it's been a long time since we talked about this kind of issues! So thank you for that. When I heard It Is What It Is on the album I was like wow. Let's just pop on the teen movie. Any movie. But it was really quite something live. You read my mind, Dana |
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Post by escalibur on Feb 9, 2012 4:20:48 GMT -5
Yes he worked on NNF too but he wasn't main producer (according Wikipedia). After all it doesn't matter what happened before I'm just curious how would they sound with totally different producer.
You are right about Daughtry. His first record sounded promising but after that it was just a down the hill. There are many reasons why so many bands went the commercial way but I can't deny that sometimes it's not disappointing. When I've heard about Nickelback's 10 records deal with Roadrunner I knew it musically it just can't be any good. The result is a new (even more overproducted/'radio friendly') record every second year.
But with big labels time is money and if you don't sell enough you're out no matter how good (musically) you are. Personally I believe that big labels just dont care enough about smaller artists/bands just because they don't sell enough. But thankfully there is hope. Good example is Dave Matthews and his record company.
ps. Then again I'm not insulting or attacking on anyone. I'm just discussing about music industry around the band like Lifehouse.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 9:08:50 GMT -5
Thanks for changing the topic... I don't have to get my undies in a bundle every time I visit now. hahaha... |
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christians pushed them into this corner for so many years, these days he doesn't really talks about his spiritual side anymore.
. I'd also like to know if anybody has an HD copy of Lifehouse at Pinkpop 2003. BY far their best concert ever