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Post by smlevin1 on Mar 11, 2018 17:32:32 GMT -5
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Post by ledvedderman on Mar 11, 2018 19:38:08 GMT -5
I wouldn’t advise a proper Christmas album at this point. No. I think that’s a money losing venture and I’ve akways taken that as a last resort for acts to hang on to being relevant. That’s a bad move for the band and whoever releases it.
A live album would be interesting. We’ve been told this since the SCF days. A b-sides album or a live album. Live albums are relatively low cost since technology these allows it. Mix it, master it, and press it. Done. I’ve been to a lot of Lifehouse shows over the years and I’m not sure how well they’d come across as a live album. The shows are soooo scripted from beginning to end. It’s not like Springsteen or Pearl Jam where you could get a b-side from 20 years ago or a random cover. And the communication between songs is forced. I love the guys but this isn’t a strong point. When I listen to a live album, I can tell the lines that are said every night. Jason never steps up and goes deep to his heart about this history of the song or what it’s meant to others. I’m just afraid that a live album would feel flat and scripted. A greatest hits with crowd noise mixed in.
I would like to see a double album. Disc one being b-sides we haven’t heard yet. Disc two being a live mix- best versions of songs from any show recorded. One thing this band is great at is getting outtakes, b-sides, bonus tracks to us. So they’d have to dig deep, but we know songs are out there that haven’t made their way out yet. The good thing about a b-side is most of these songs are completed, mixed, and maybe even mastered. Put them in order, press them, release them. Very simple. Same with the live disc. Very low cost. Maybe throw in two brand new songs or mixes and done. Release a single and maybe you sell a good chunk of units at a fraction of the cost of a new album, but you get a lot of press. 6 months after that...drop a new single from the upcoming album and now you’re getting another big press worthy. That’s what this band needs. They need someone who knows their strengths driving their media and getting the biggest bang for their buck in releases. I don’t understand the strategy of who they use now.
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Post by Robert on Mar 12, 2018 21:20:03 GMT -5
I wouldn’t advise a proper Christmas album at this point. No. I think that’s a money losing venture and I’ve akways taken that as a last resort for acts to hang on to being relevant. That’s a bad move for the band and whoever releases it. A live album would be interesting. We’ve been told this since the SCF days. A b-sides album or a live album. Live albums are relatively low cost since technology these allows it. Mix it, master it, and press it. Done. I’ve been to a lot of Lifehouse shows over the years and I’m not sure how well they’d come across as a live album. The shows are soooo scripted from beginning to end. It’s not like Springsteen or Pearl Jam where you could get a b-side from 20 years ago or a random cover. And the communication between songs is forced. I love the guys but this isn’t a strong point. When I listen to a live album, I can tell the lines that are said every night. Jason never steps up and goes deep to his heart about this history of the song or what it’s meant to others. I’m just afraid that a live album would feel flat and scripted. A greatest hits with crowd noise mixed in. I would like to see a double album. Disc one being b-sides we haven’t heard yet. Disc two being a live mix- best versions of songs from any show recorded. One thing this band is great at is getting outtakes, b-sides, bonus tracks to us. So they’d have to dig deep, but we know songs are out there that haven’t made their way out yet. The good thing about a b-side is most of these songs are completed, mixed, and maybe even mastered. Put them in order, press them, release them. Very simple. Same with the live disc. Very low cost. Maybe throw in two brand new songs or mixes and done. Release a single and maybe you sell a good chunk of units at a fraction of the cost of a new album, but you get a lot of press. 6 months after that...drop a new single from the upcoming album and now you’re getting another big press worthy. That’s what this band needs. They need someone who knows their strengths driving their media and getting the biggest bang for their buck in releases. I don’t understand the strategy of who they use now. Couldn't agree with you more Brian. It seems to me that any clips of old shows I've watched are far less forced than recent, but I suppose after nearly 20 years of touring that's what happens to you. During the OOTW Europe tour J busted out the old stuff again (Eighties, Joshua, etc.) acoustically, but it's not like they're playing Climb or Goodbye or those tracks anymore. I'd love to see a live album done the way many bands do, omitting the discussion in between... because it isn't really there. One of the best live albums I've heard is Vertical Horizon's Live Stages (1997), because it's just a perfectly-mixed, effect-free perfect album with minimal cheering at the end of each song. That'd be great! While we're on the subject, I'd like to see a live-in-studio acoustic release (or at least an EP) featuring their songs acoustically, not unlike Spin's b-sides (though more developed, closer to TMA than Wash). From the last album, I think hearing Hurricane, One for the Pain (see official video online), Runaways, Firing Squad, and even Hourglass acoustic would be really fun. While they're at it, how about releasing some older songs, like First Time (the Stripped version, Broken (the J solo version), or a steel string Anchor maybe. I'd pay a pretty penny for that! |
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Post by LHfanMI on Apr 2, 2018 8:06:04 GMT -5
I wouldn’t advise a proper Christmas album at this point. No. I think that’s a money losing venture and I’ve akways taken that as a last resort for acts to hang on to being relevant. That’s a bad move for the band and whoever releases it. A live album would be interesting. We’ve been told this since the SCF days. A b-sides album or a live album. Live albums are relatively low cost since technology these allows it. Mix it, master it, and press it. Done. I’ve been to a lot of Lifehouse shows over the years and I’m not sure how well they’d come across as a live album. The shows are soooo scripted from beginning to end. It’s not like Springsteen or Pearl Jam where you could get a b-side from 20 years ago or a random cover. And the communication between songs is forced. I love the guys but this isn’t a strong point. When I listen to a live album, I can tell the lines that are said every night. Jason never steps up and goes deep to his heart about this history of the song or what it’s meant to others. I’m just afraid that a live album would feel flat and scripted. A greatest hits with crowd noise mixed in. I would like to see a double album. Disc one being b-sides we haven’t heard yet. Disc two being a live mix- best versions of songs from any show recorded. One thing this band is great at is getting outtakes, b-sides, bonus tracks to us. So they’d have to dig deep, but we know songs are out there that haven’t made their way out yet. The good thing about a b-side is most of these songs are completed, mixed, and maybe even mastered. Put them in order, press them, release them. Very simple. Same with the live disc. Very low cost. Maybe throw in two brand new songs or mixes and done. Release a single and maybe you sell a good chunk of units at a fraction of the cost of a new album, but you get a lot of press. 6 months after that...drop a new single from the upcoming album and now you’re getting another big press worthy. That’s what this band needs. They need someone who knows their strengths driving their media and getting the biggest bang for their buck in releases. I don’t understand the strategy of who they use now. Couldn't agree with you more Brian. It seems to me that any clips of old shows I've watched are far less forced than recent, but I suppose after nearly 20 years of touring that's what happens to you. During the OOTW Europe tour J busted out the old stuff again (Eighties, Joshua, etc.) acoustically, but it's not like they're playing Climb or Goodbye or those tracks anymore. I'd love to see a live album done the way many bands do, omitting the discussion in between... because it isn't really there. One of the best live albums I've heard is Vertical Horizon's Live Stages (1997), because it's just a perfectly-mixed, effect-free perfect album with minimal cheering at the end of each song. That'd be great! While we're on the subject, I'd like to see a live-in-studio acoustic release (or at least an EP) featuring their songs acoustically, not unlike Spin's b-sides (though more developed, closer to TMA than Wash). From the last album, I think hearing Hurricane, One for the Pain (see official video online), Runaways, Firing Squad, and even Hourglass acoustic would be really fun. While they're at it, how about releasing some older songs, like First Time (the Stripped version, Broken (the J solo version), or a steel string Anchor maybe. I'd pay a pretty penny for that! Really agree with you guys here. The most I would ever want in terms of a Christmas album from LH would just be a random special edition EP of like 4 Christmas tracks that's just a total bonus. Don't give it the full treatment of a release. It's not going be a money maker, and it's not going to get much press/exposure, etc., etc. Live album... well, after that half-assed effort of a DVD they did before, I don't need more of that. And, yes, absolutely agree with you Robert that their live shows are too rehearsed anyway. Really, I hope this type of live album doesn't happen at all. I just don't need it. However, I've definitely been on this train since day one: do a live in-studio / acoustic album!! To me, this would be a dream. The problem is, if they do it, it will be a lame Greatest Hits tracklist of songs we've heard a thousand times already...including acoustically. I probably listen to their random acoustic stuff more often than anything else these days. There are some really cool live acoustic versions they've done. I'd kill to have them done in a higher quality setting. I can even deal with the fact that we'll probably still get HBAM, Y&M, First TIme, etc all over again, but as long as they include some others I'd still love it. |
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Post by qfs on Apr 21, 2018 16:46:55 GMT -5
I agree too! Maybe they can play some of the B-sides and some songs that never really made it like...
Anchor (fan favorite)
How Long (although this song sucked on Stanley Climbfall, a revised version could sound better)
Joshua (fan favorite)
Fool (would sound great if it were revised a bit)
The problem is they have developed a new sound that is completely different than what people know them as. If you were to show somebody the songs Anchor and Hourglass, they would think they were two different bands (which technically they are).
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Post by Robert on Apr 21, 2018 21:15:56 GMT -5
I agree too! Maybe they can play some of the B-sides and some songs that never really made it like... Anchor (fan favorite) How Long (although this song sucked on Stanley Climbfall, a revised version could sound better) Joshua (fan favorite) Fool (would sound great if it were revised a bit) The problem is they have developed a new sound that is completely different than what people know them as. If you were to show somebody the songs Anchor and Hourglass, they would think they were two different bands (which technically they are). Interesting... I'd argue that people know them as the new sound more than the old. If I say 'Lifehouse' my friends think of Y&M and First Time; if I play them Anchor they would not guess which band it is. I'd also argue that Hourglass is one of the closest sounding songs to No Name Face (Trying, Simon, Everything) in its instrumentation and structure  |
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. I'd also like to know if anybody has an HD copy of Lifehouse at Pinkpop 2003. BY far their best concert ever